Welcome to the Team!

We are excited to have Seyon Pen joining our staff as a Khmer Editor!

“My name is Seyon. I used to live in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, but I moved to Siem Reap for a while, and now I am in Provo Utah. I love hiking and doing outdoor activities. I have heard about the project for a long time. In fact, I’ve even helped some people find their ancestors through it! It’s an exciting project and I am very happy that BYU is doing that because it will be a great source to all the Khmer people to reconnect with their relatives. I am excited to be involved in the project.” – Seyon Pen

Welcome to the project Seyon!

Welcome to Our New Team Member

Introducing Jeremy Hills, one of the new employees on our project. Here are a few words from him:

“I’m 22 years old from Woods Cross, UT. I’m an Information Systems major at BYU and preparing for dental school. From 2015 to 2017 I served an LDS mission in Cambodia and I have looked for opportunities to stay connected since. I returned in 2018 to intern for Moo Moo Farms and I have had several interpreting/translating jobs. I am excited to be a part of the project and help in any way possible.” – Jeremy

Thanks Jeremy, we’re excited to have you on our staff! Jeremy will help in managing our impressive flow of interviews and uploading audio transcriptions to the website. He keeps our project connected across the globe!

The project continues to seek out possible interns for upcoming semesters. If you are interested, fill out the contact form on this website or contract project director Prof. Dana Bourgerie.

A Visit to The Killing Fields

Killing Fields Visit
by Allison McIllece

What are the Killing Fields?

Choeung Ek (Khmer: ជើងឯក) is the site of what once was an orchard and Chinese graveyard, but is now a mass grave of victims from the Khmer Rouge located about 17 kilometers (11 mi) south of Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Victims of this slaughter were killed between the years of 1975 and 1979. It is where the Khmer Rouge regime executed more than one million innocent people; men, women, and children alike.

Who went?

I took a few Peer Leaders with me to the Killing fields memorial site on March 19th 2019.

Why did we go?

We decided to visit the memorial site, because so many of the elderly people that we had interviewed had mentioned that either a family member or friend had visited or been executed there during the Khmer rouge. There were even one or two interviewees whom had been there personally, during wartime executions, and had miraculously lived to tell the tale. One such story was told to me by Sokunthea Nhem, a Peer Leader of 3 years now. She was one of the first peer Leaders to encourage me to visit the memorial site, if I had not already done so (which I hadn’t yet.) She explained to me that her most memorable interview experience was involving a woman who had a nightmarish encounter with soldiers and victims at the Choeung Ek Killing Fields. This woman (I will call her Ming Vanna, for I can’t remember her name), Ming Vanna, was taken to the killing fields late at night. She was in a large group of young women and men, as well as a few young children. She remembers being forced into the back of a truck and driven to a dark field. She was escorted out of the truck and brought to the mouth of a wide, but shallow pit (not quite so deep as she was tall.) Then soldiers took bamboo rods and gun barrels and started to beat in the heads and bodies of those held captive. Once they were presumed dead, they were cast into the pit and left to rot. Ming Vanna was beaten and thrown into the pit too, but much to her surprise, she woke up to find that she was not yet dead. She described her fear at smelling and laying amongst so many dead bodies as one of indescribable power. Although she was bruised and sore, she was so frightened that she found the strength to climb out of the pit, and run into the night. She escaped with her life, but has always remembered those that were not so lucky as she was.

I had known about the Killing Fields as a full time missionary, but didn’t feel that I had the emotional strength to endure such a taxing visit as a missionary. I had never been before. After hearing this experience and so many others as an Interviewer for the Cambodian Oral History Project, I decided that it was time that I went and learned more about the difficult history behind the Khmer Rouge, first hand. I knew that many of the volunteers working with me were young and inexperienced. I decided to invite some Volunteers to accompany me so that we could all learn together, and support each other through this emotional visit to a place of so much horror and loss.

What did we learn?

I learned a lot about the difficulty and sorrow surrounding the Khmer Rouge that I didn’t understand before I made time to visit the Killing Fields. Although I had heard stories about the horrors and the pain that these Cambodian people experienced, I was always distanced from it. Although I believed their experiences (and certainly the pain at the memory from these experiences) to be real, I could never bring myself to dwell on these stories or imagine them happening in real life. Many of the Peer Leaders that I went with expressed the same kind of disbelief at the fact that these stories were, in fact, real. We never questioned them, but it was so easy to dismiss these experiences as part of the past, something distant and intangible. After visiting such a reverent place and seeing the bones and clothes of real people, who have been through this tragedy it seemed so much more real to me. I know that I can’t fix what happened, and I know that I can never really understand what these people went through during the Khmer Rouge; but I know that I am better off with an understanding that these stories are part of someone’s reality. It gives me a greater sense of empathy and a desire to help alleviate some of the pain and loss accompanied with  these interviews. I can be Kind and show greater interest in the elderly and their lives. When they talk, I can listen. I can show them that their lives mattered back then, and have meaning now. I can help them to remember those whom they have lost, and give them the opportunity to express love and to show love back to them. I am forever changed by my experiences both at the Killing Fields, and as an intern for the Cambodian Oral History Project.

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Preserving My History

By Nhem Sokunthea, Cambodia Project Coordinator

My name is Nhem Sokunthea. I’ve been a project peer leader for three years. I got involved with the project right after I returned from missionary service for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I first learned about the project from former missionary Tyler Jorgensen when he was serving as an intern in Cambodia.

As a peer leader I interview Cambodian people, my siblings, and sometimes people I don’t know as well. However, I mostly interview those I do know well like my mom, dad, and older brother as well as those with many life experiences such as my grandfather, grandmother, and their family members. I try to keep it in the family. I also transcribe interviews into Cambodian script.

Besides my work as a peer leader, I am learning the violin. I’m not very good at it and find it SO HARD, but I do like it. I also like to visit farming areas and would like to have a farm of my own one day, to grow my own fruits and plants. I also love the province of Mondul Kiri, and I want to buy a farm that looks like something there. Although I’ve interviewed people that grow rice, I really want to learn from people who have grown other things, like cashew nuts. I did interview a cashew farmer once, and they had so much life experience and wisdom.

I’ve had many experiences interviewing people who had overcome great trials. They’ve seen the sun rise before we did. The older people I have interviewed have all been through the war. In fact, of 100 people I interviewed, every single interviewee lived through the Khmer Rouge period. They tell me their life stories, struggles, and challenges. Of course, we have our own problems, but really, we have it comparatively easy. We have the chance to be with our families. They didn’t have that privilege. They were separated and often killed off. They even had bombs dropped on them and they had a hard time running away. I’ve heard it said that the Cambodian people had eyes in the back of their head. That means they have their normal eyes facing forward, and then they had more eyes facing backwards. That means that at that time they had to be aware of their surroundings, if they dropped bombs and grenades, and you weren’t watching, you would die. You would be blown to pieces.

Through the project, the Cambodian people learn how savage their history is and can learn from it. They can understand that people died because they had no food to eat at all as they worked. They see that people used serrated palm fronds to cut people’s throats, or beat people to death with bamboo rods. I’ve heard stories about people who were executed and I’ve interviewed one person who was beaten and thrown into a pit of dead bodies. She was so frightened that it gave her the strength to climb out of the pit and escape. It’s something that I’ll never forget hearing. What’s important is that I can understand a little about their burdens. For my interviews, I ask a lot about the war experiences of my family members, though It’s difficult to hear about that unjust time in my people’s history, where we killed our own people.

I remember hearing my uncle’s story (as told through my father) more than anyone else’s. He Is the older brother to my father and had a wife and two children,  But Pol Pot took them and killed them all even though his wife was pregnant with a child. My father told me that they took my uncle, a learned man, and put him in a cage. It was similar to a cell in a prison. His family tried to come and visit him in this cage, but the guards wouldn’t allow it. So, they walked past him and could only spare a glance out of the corner of their eye to see if it was him. It was such a pitiful story. When I think about that story, I feel so frustrated, but I can now understand just how hard their lives were at that time. When my family heard this story felt like they couldn’t accept it.

My mother told me about when she was starving and had no food and how my father was the most skinny and gaunt man you had ever seen. When I go back to my parent’s home town a few times every year, I see two large trees near my home where I’m told is the place of my grandmother’s greatest loss and sorrow. It was in that place where Pol Pot took her children away and killed them, and it was in that place where she saw people starve to death. It is so difficult to think about those stories.

I think that after carrying out these interviews, I have a greater love for people. Each person’s life, has such value. Although I am a Christian and learned to love people serving as a missionary, I can now help in another way through this project. When I go to church I love to focus on family history. Our ancestors struggled in this life–– especially throughout the war––but we can help them to find peace in the next life through the temple. We can help them receive ordinances, be baptized, and live together and be clean and worthy from sin forever. I am so grateful for this project, which is helping to preserve the Cambodian history that we lost in the war. I love that this history is recorded by voice because anciently we didn’t have people’s voices, just a few books and written memories. As I go through these interviews I have an increased desire to learn and know about my country’s history and help my ancestors.

To view this article in Khmer, click this link: អត្ថបទសម្ភាសsokunthea.blogpost.pdf

 

4000 Interviews and Counting: A Mid-Year Report

Dana Scott Bourgerie, Project Director*

It has been over three years since we launched the Cambodian Oral History Project. Its progress has been both rapid and somewhat surprising. We are pleased to announce that the project has recently surpassed 4000 interviews.

In addition to the interview milestone, we have processed more than 1300 Khmer language transcripts involving students and volunteers in the US and Cambodia:

  • 8 BYU interns
  • 12 BYU team members
  • 30 + Peer leaders

To help make the large numbers of interviews accessible, we have recently launched a new online system that allows volunteers to translate Khmer to English in small chunks. We continue to receive interest from many forums and have been featured in various media:

As always, with success comes challenges. Our funds are limited but we continue to receive support directly from Brigham Young University through our sponsor, the BYU College of Humanities. In addition, we have received funds from several generous, anonymous donors. We need volunteers to translate our large backlog of interviews. Please contact us if you are able to help––even a little.

I am frequently asked why I created and continue this project, which is only peripherally related to my main academic work in Chinese linguistics.  I am reminded of the preface to the seminal French-Canadian genealogical work the Tanguay. Priest and genealogist, Father Cyprien Tanguay, responded to a question about why he devoted a large part of his life to chronicling early families of New France. He responded simply: Je n’ai aucune idée or, ‘I have no idea at all.’

I am sure that Father Tanguay was inspired to compile those early genealogies of New France. What he probably meant by his remark was that there was no obvious earthly reason to do it. My response is similar; I can only say that the work of preserving Cambodian voices is something we can and should do. And, yes, it seems to me providential. So many pieces have fallen into place and continue to fall into place. A group of local peer leaders also asked me “Why Cambodia?” My response to them was, “Why not Cambodia?” The stories are inspiring, poignant, and deserve to be heard.

To all those who have supported the project in various ways, I offer my gratitude. To those who feel stirred to lend a hand to the project, we welcome your participation.

*Dana Scott Bourgerie is the director of the Cambodia Oral History Project. He is also Professor and chair of  the Department of Near Eastern Languages at Brigham Young University.

 

 

 

New Intern for Winter 2019

Allison McIllece served a missionary  for the he Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in the Phnom Penh, Cambodia Mission from Dec 2016 – June 2018.
“After coming home from my mission, I was eager to stay involved in preserving the Cambodian culture and language. I was so excited to hear about the Oral History Foundation and the steps they were taking forward to bring life and love to the world from my favorite people. Every time I read the words of the interviews that my friends and I are translating, I feel such a strong connection to these people and their stories. I feel the Love that our Heavenly Father has for his children. I feel so honored to think that I will have the opportunity to help preserve such an important part of history, and help build lasting relationships in Cambodia, as an intern for this upcoming winter semester. I am thankful that the words of such a strong generation of Cambodian survivors will not go unheard. The elderly have such wisdom and such love to share with all of us. Their stories are so rich with struggle and emotion. They help us to more fully appreciate and understand the meaning of life here on earth. I am filled with happiness to know that these stories will live on to help teach and protect the rising generation of Cambodia. We can do so much, if we work together to build bridges of open communication and tear down barriers of doubt. I love Cambodia; and I know, you will too!”

Impacting Lives Through the Project Work

*Thomas Anthony

I began working with the Cambodia Oral History Project in December 2016. I started out as the Volunteer Coordinator at BYU and quickly learned the importance of the project. I began listening to interviews and came across a woman that I had met while I served and LDS Church missionary in Cambodia. This woman told stories that I had heard before, but I also heard stories that she never told me. Feelings of nostalgia came over me as I was reminded of her difficult life upbringing in Cambodia. I immediately knew that I wanted to be more involved with this project.

Months went by and I was able to head to Cambodia as the project intern. Being in Cambodia, meeting all of the Project staff, and seeing the effect that we were having in the lives of the people in Cambodia was amazing. I was able to travel throughout Cambodia and meet different peer leaders who all had different experiences with the project. I learned that this project was not only rewarding for those that were able to share their stories, but also to the peer leaders. The peer leaders love to work with the Cambodia Oral History Project. They see it as an opportunity to grow in many different ways. They develop countless skills working with the project, which will serve them for the rest of their lives. I saw people who didn’t have very strong people skills grow to love talking with others and begin to care for those around them. I saw people who had never used a computer before learn to type in both Khmer and English, and even learn the essentials of email. These skills seemed so simple to me, but this is because I have been using computers since I was a small child. The project is helping Cambodians in numerous ways that seem trivial, but have a lasting impact.

The project is special in that we are interviewing the older generation of Cambodia. Some of these people are well stricken in age and some have even passed away after we have interviewed them. The interviews of those that have passed away have become small miracles for their families. Families are able to listen to their mom, dad, grandpa, grandma, brother, or sister. It’s a rare experience for anyone. But listening to the stories of these people brings a unique feeling of comfort and joy.

I was able to see this blessing first hand. I had recently found a new peer leader and she began interviewing family and friends that she felt comfortable with. The peer leader interviewed a woman of about 38 years old, who was also one of her best friends. The peer leader felt that it was important to interview her, even though she was relatively young. Sadly, just two weeks after the interview, this woman became very ill and suddenly died. It was tragic for all those around her. However, the family was grateful to have her life story in an audible interview. Immediately we were able to take the interview to the family. The interview was simple, but everyone felt joy and comfort in hearing her voice again.

The experiences I had and the friends I made through my internship in Cambodia are unforgettable. I grew as an individual in many different ways. I’ll always be grateful for my experience there. And now, I am continuously grateful for a job where I can work with Cambodians and learn from their touching and valuable experiences.

* Thomas Anthony is a BYU student majoring in Geography (Geospatial Intelligence) and served previously as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Cambodia. He also served as a project intern in Phnom Penh. 

New Intern in Cambodia

This is Theary Leng! She is from Kampong Cham, Cambodia. She served an LDS  mission in

the Hawaii Honolulu Mission and will be studying Master of Public Administration at Brigham Young University in the Fall. She has been working for several months as the project Khmer language editor  and is serving in Cambodia this summer term as an intern and assistant to the project. She notes: “I love listening and learning about peoples’ lives and stories. That’s why I am working for Cambodian Oral History.”

Note from a Project Participant

Image may contain: 2 people, people smilingOne of the main aims of this project is to preserve stories that might otherwise disapear. Since the project was launched in January 2017, we have sadly lost several participants. Yet, the families’ grief has been softened some by the preservation of the family members’ memories–––especially their voices. LDS church leader Bunhuoch ENG expressed his sentiment in a note on the recent loss of his mother:

“I want to express my gratitude for the oral history [project]…. My mother passed away recently and I really miss her. Listening to her voice that I recorded for your program,  really makes me feel that she is still with me. I can listen to her voice as much as I want to. I can learn and know more about her history, and my great grandparents’ and my grandparents’ history. I am so grateful for this thoughtful program to record voice of people to keep for their generations to learn about. Once again thank you for this program.”

Bunhuoch ENG
President
Phnom Penh North Stake
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Cultural Bridges

Sarah Collins*

As part of my work with the Cambodia Oral History Project, I review interviews and tag them for keywords. As I have listened to the different interviews I have noticed a distinct difference among the age groups. I listened to an older woman named Chan Thearin who was 74 at the time of her interview. When the interviewer asked her if she had ever had dreams or goals in her life that she had once wanted to achieve, she blankly stated “no.” Her response shocked me. Thearin grew up without the luxury of ever hoping for anything beyond her means. Having more was beyond imagination. A no-nonsense woman, she simply lives to survive. She doesn’t like playing games, listening to music, and doesn’t even have a favorite food.

To someone of my background, whose culture encourages dreaming big and accomplishing more, understanding this woman is difficult. She may appear callous and distant from her own life. But the most poignant part of her interview was where she said that her only hope in life was that she would be a good person and pass that onto her children. Despite unimaginable challenges, she still finds fulfillment  in her life. Her experiences should have stripped her of any type of hope or confidence in the future, and yet she looks to that hope in the future generations. She only wants to pass on the good that she has left in her

In contrast to this delightful grandmother, I listened to a young woman who was 30 years old. For Chanthy, she wouldn’t have directly lived through the Khmer Rouge regime, but would have still experienced many of the damages that it caused to families and homes. Her perspective of life is quite different. She talks of her grandparents with much adoration. She gets emotional speaking about her brother who is suffering with a drug addiction. Also, in contrast to Thearin, Chanthy does have many dreams. She dreams to make a good living for herself, and to help pay back to her parents who have done so much good for her. She shares a story of her dad making a living riding a bicycle through the streets of Phnom Penh when she was a young girl and seeing his exhaustion. She now wants to keep working hard so that he will be able to rest from his burdens. Chanthy has grown up with the effects of the war, but the perspective of the future. Her hope is relatable to us all, and bridges the gap across cultures.

These two examples from two different generations highlights the importance of knowing our histories in order to build our futures. This project continues to inspire the young and the old to tell their stories.

*Sarah Collins is a project assistant and a former Cambodia LDS missionary majoring in Communications.